by Robert Latham
That’s right, you already know everything there is to know. There are no surprises anymore, so each side of the battle is really just waiting for the other to lose steam, change its mind, or age out and die.
In case you think I’m trying to avoid engaging the arguments, here are the major talking points from both camps:
Arguments against same-sex marriage:
(1) Marriage is an institution defined historically as the union between one man and one woman.
(2) Children are optimally cared for in homes with a mother and a father.
(3) The purpose of marriage is procreation and societal stability.
(4) Same-sex marriage is an untested and dangerous social experiment.
(5) Same-sex marriage is part of a slippery slope to universal depravity.
(6) Gay relationships themselves are immoral.
Arguments against the arguments against same-sex marriage:
(1) You don’t have a bit of evidence for any of that, and
(2) Please, quit being a jerk.
See? No surprises.
Now, I want to confess that I’m very gay, and the rest of this article will be biased appropriately. I also want to confess that I have no idea what marriage is. That’s ok, though, because if we had enough time and wine, I’m pretty sure you’ll discover that you don’t either. This should not prove any impediment to the conversation.
You might notice that the arguments against same-sex marriage seem to be more numerous than the arguments for it. There are two reasons for that: first, most of them aren’t actually arguments against; and second, arguments don’t get you very far in this sort of thing anyway.
Let’s start with that first part. Even though I put six things on the list, most of them aren’t arguments against same-sex marriage at all. Argument (1), for example, isn’t against same-sex marriage--it’s for the strengthening of hetero-sex marriages. Same with (2). Argument (3) is similar, except that given the now-public knowledge that men and women don’t have to be married or even in the same room to conceive a baby, it actually argues for extending marriage to anybody willing to raise a kid in tandem.
Two of them are just smoke screen distractions. Argument (4) has always sounded silly to me, because everything new is potentially dangerous, and same-sex marriage isn’t untested anymore; and Argument (5) is popular among juridical thinkers, but is equally a non-starter in the real world. Really it is: why can 5th cousins but not 4th cousins be married? Because we drew the line there. Why will allowing gays to marry not automatically allow people to marry patio furniture? Because we’ll draw the line there as well. Those who find themselves in a committed relationship with a wicker bistro set will have their own fight to fight. I will happily stand behind their right to love whatever they love. They, however, will be responsible for figuring out the tax implications of their blessed union.
That brings us to Argument (6): Gay relationships are themselves immoral. What can you even say to that? Nothing. That’s when you stop the debate and see if the person wants to grab dinner one night instead. Then you move in down the street a few years later, go shopping with them, watch their dog while they’re out of town, invite them over for Super Bowl parties, call them to gossip, swap turns carpooling the kids to school, and just live. It might take five or ten years, but they’ll figure it out, without you ever saying a word.
The nice thing about the “against same-sex marriage” list of arguments is that it isn’t getting any longer. They’ve had thousands of years to tell us why we’re broken, and about forty years to figure out why we can’t get married (the first American cases were in 1971, according to HRC). Based on what I’ve been hearing for the past 27 years of my own life, it sounds like they’ve run out of new ideas.
On the other hand, every committed same-sex couple is another argument for same-sex marriage. Every kid who comes out is another reason to quit being a jerk and let him dream of white picket fences and a family and love and all the stuff that other kids think they’ll have before they learn how the world really works.
I’m highly optimistic that over the next ten years we won’t need arguments anymore. There is no need to debate what you can plainly see: that it’s love that makes a family, and the energy and breath we waste fighting over who should be a family could be much better spent supporting and encouraging the families that continue to exist whether we legally recognize them or not. It doesn’t require even a minute of legal research, or a page of historical reference. It needs neither clever twists of equality doctrine nor the due process guarantee. To see that same-sex marriage should not be denied any longer takes only a single ounce of kindness.
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Submitted by Robert Latham to Res Gestae: The Student Newspaper of the University of Michigan Law School
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- A Mormon View from California
- Yes on 8 Bus Tour: Impressions at an Exhibition
- The Wirthlins are Mormon. Why am I not surprised?
- Short on cash, the Prop 8 campaign tries extortion.
- Thou Shalt Not Lie: Sign the letter to LDS President Monson
- Andrew Sullivan: The Mormon Money Behind Proposition 8
- From the desk of Frank Schubert, Yes on 8 Campaign Manager
- AP: Prop. 8 Campaign Seeks to Extort Funds from California Businesses
- Charles Barkley speaks out on marriage equality
- Mormon involvement in the Prop 8 contest is contrary to Mormon principles
- Latest Public Policy Institute Poll: Most California voters still oppose Prop 8
- Andrew Sullivan: The Mormon Church vs Civil Marriage Equality (Sullivan uses the Romney CT quote that I dug up)
- Andrew Sullivan: Mormons For Civil Rights
- Mormons Continue to Dominate California’s Yes on Prop 8 Campaign. New Total: $19.15 Million
- Huffington Post: Do Mormons Deserve Equal Protection Under the Law?
- Utah and Idaho Mormons heed the Yes on 8 campaign's rescue call
- Lavender Liberal: Ask yourself this question ...
- WhatIsProp8.com contact info: Jenny Lynne Pricer @ 310-487-1820 or jennylynne.pricer@whatisprop8.com
- The Church of Latter Day Spammers
- Sonja Eddings Brown: News Media At A Loss For Words (as if, Sonja, get a life ...)
- Vern Nelson @ The OJ Blog likes the new "No on Prop 8" ad
- Michelle Obama: Be Not Afraid
- WikiLeaks: LDS church Proposition 8 broadcast transcript, 8 Oct 2008
- Calitics: Mormons to deliver Prop 8 letters, petition to LDS Church HQ on Oct. 17th
- David Benkof: Even marriage defenders should reject Proposition 8
- Total Prop 8 Donations from Top 15 LDS Leaders: $0.00
- Vote NO on Prop 8 (and keep gov't out of our pants ... w/ great Courage Campaign video)
- DKos: kos pens another front page piece on Prop 8
- YouTube Video Response to Yes on Prop 8 Ad: Five Little Lies
- DKos: A Mormon's view of CA Prop (h)8
- MfM comments on October 8th LDS satellite broadcast re Prop 8
- Updated Yes on 8 Plans and Personnel
- Yes on Campaign Releases First TV Spot
- LA Times: Mass display of Proposition 8 support delayed
- OC Register: Intrusion into marriage should be even-handed
- Chino Blanco's YouTube Channel
- Paul Newman 1925 - 2008
- Ken Boyd ... Baghdad Boyd?
- Comments on the WSJ's 'Mormons Boost Antigay Marriage Effort'
- D-Day: Prop. 8: The Relay Fast
- WikiLeaks: Latest LDS (Mormon) Prop 8 campaign plans
- JM: 'Six Consequences' author had rocky start in Salt Lake politics
- Calitics: The Floundering Yes on 8 Campaign: One Million Missing Lawn Signs Found in ... (wait for it) ... China!
- Boi From Troy: Where are those Million Yard Signs?
- JM: Anonymous 'Six Consequences' tied to LDS PR flack Glen Greener and Protectmarriage.com
- Wall Street Journal: Mormons Boost Antigay Marriage Effort
- Latest Field Poll Delight: Support for Prop 8 is at 38%
- DKos: What Do Mormons Have Against Love?
- PHB: The Unexpected Message The Yes On 8 Campaign Sends To Jews, Mormons, And Other Non-Evangelicals
- BYU Law Professor: "Six Consequences" = "Six Falsehoods" (PDF)
- Fat Salaries For "Yes on 8" Campaign's Evangelical Directors: Paid For By LDS (Mormon) Contributions
- OC Register: Crusading for ‘Judeo-Christian values’ doesn’t come cheap
- SoCal Journo Justin McClachlan rakes California Family Council muck
- LL: Some Upbeat Prop 8 News, If You Promise Not to Get Complacent
- Ron Prentice Gets Rich Fighting Gay Marriage
- David Benkof Redeems Himself: Right-wing nonsense
- Robert Latham: You Know Everything About Same-Sex Marriage
- Thrice-married Newt Gingrich: Brave Champion of Proposition 8
- One Mormon's Letter to The Salt Lake Tribune: Get it straight
- LL: Six Big Lies the Freedom-Haters Are Spreading About Prop 8
- Is the LDS (Mormon) Church telling the truth about Proposition 8?
- Huckabee: Romney responsible for implementing gay marriage in Massachusetts
- Frank Schubert: Micro-targeting Mormons
- Mormon Prop 8 Plan: 1,000,000 yard signs
- Vern Nelson @ The OJ Blog: Jubal’s Terror Unfounded: Schubert Flint NOT Overrun by Gay Yippie Bloggers!
- More Proposition 8 lies from the "Yes on 8" campaign
- ACTION ALERT: Tell the Right-Wing Consultants NO to Prop 8!
- August 14th Action in Irvine: Schubert Flint Open House
- Irvine CA 92614: Prop 8 Action Alert
- Prop 8 Photo Essay: Jennifer Kerns
- "Yes on 8" RSVP? Need your advice.
- Steven Greenhut: Hypocrisy and gay marriage
- Red County blogger Jeff Flint is the Prop. 8 consultant
- Carlyle Potter: Is Jesus pleased?
- Derek Price: Feeling the spirit of political rules
- Googling Gay Marriage: Putting a Fork in Prop 8
- The Prop 8 ATM: A Christmas Carol for Jeff Flint
- Meet Rameumptom, Inc: Schubert-Flint
- 9Moons: California Mormons Won’t Be Cool with Acts of Protest at Their Chapels
- An invitation to show up or walk out on June 29th
- BCC: Same-sex marriage and hypocrisy?
- Mormons enter California marriage fight
- New York Marriage Equality: Astroturfing - Courtesy of the Same Ten (Mormon) People
- Thank you, Governor Lynch. Thank you, Amelia.
- Pastor may have lost post over Prop 8
- NOM and Cornerstone Policy Research Present: "I'm Confused"
- About that CPR-A Cornerstone Policy Research New Hampshire "Poll"
- Heroes vs Zeroes: another NOM FAIL, this time on CNN
- The LDS Church, Proposition 8, and the Federal Law of Charities
- Pres. Obama's Mother Baptized by Proxy in Mormon Temple
- Outrage: The Movie
- Note to my Mormon friends at UFI, NOM and the Digital Network Army (DNA)
- Marie Osmond Talks About Her Daughter's Civil Rights
- "No Offense" but the latest NOM ad barely rates a mention
- How many Mormon actors in NOM's "Gathering Storm" ad?
- Check out NOM's Stand4Marriage Rally facebook page
- Preeminence vs Partisanship - Utah Gov. Huntsman: Equal rights are important. NOM? Not so much.
- Monrovia City Council Election Results: Shaw in, but is Kirby out?
- William Duncan of Utah is in Maine this week to Testify against LD 1020
- Mormon Sci-Fi Author Orson Scott Card Joins National Organization for Marriage Board
- Mormon Scion Matthew S. Holland Quits the NOM Board
- Stephen Colbert May or May Not Get a Call from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints about his new Ad
- Utah Tea Party Roundup
- Mormons for Marriage at Sunstone West
- Glenn Beck is still Mormon. Glenn Beck is still Insane.
- The Making of a National Organization for Marriage (NOM) TV Ad
- The Quorum of the Twelve Apostates
- No Protest Planned for LDS (Mormon) General Conference
- Glenn Beck is Mormon. Glenn Beck is Insane.
- Marriage equality rally in Montpelier, Vermont
- USA Today: If only Romney's supporters would act more like Mormon missionaries, the bias against Mitt would melt away.
- Mormon-owned Deseret News: Robert P. George is a philistine and Chuck Colson a boor
- Prop 8 redux! Some radical wacko is tracking Mormon prophet Thomas S. Monson using Google maps!
- Californians Against Hate: Manhattan Declaration -- Who Are They Kidding?
- Persecution Politics: Christian Leaders Sign Historic-Futuristic Declaration
- Maine’s Election Ethics Commission “Eager” to Continue Investigation into the National Organization for Marriage’s Role in Referendum Campaign against Marriage Equality
- Why the recent LDS statement in support of SLC nondiscrimination ordinances really does matter: The history of the LDS Church's position on housing and employment rights for gays
- Sutherland Institute's latest bright idea: Eliminate Utah Office of Tourism
- Buttarspalooza 2.0! In his own words: Utah Senator Chris Buttars Doesn't Want The Gays Stuffing It Down His Throat All The Time
- Gayle Ruzicka: Mormon church is wrong to oppose discrimination against LGBT Utahns
- Sutherland Institute: Mormon support for fair housing and employment = "giving a mouse a cookie"
- Dan Aiello: A kiss helps bring civil rights to Salt Lake City
- Utah Senator Chris Buttars "I accept the verbiage of the Mormon church." Verbiage? What a creep.
- Sutherland president Paul Mero ties religion to political thought
- NY Times: Mormon Support of Gay Rights Statute Draws Praise
- WaPo: Scott Fish claims Mormons not funding Maine campaign
- NOM in Maine: Follow the money, if you can
- Attorney General to NOM: Get into compliance with Maine law before the election. "Why not? What is there to hide?"
- NY Times: BYU students travel to Maine, LDS Church in Maine encouraging members to get involved in the Question One campaign
- Mormon Like Me: Black Saints, Bigots, and Beck
- For LDS, the handwriting is on the wall: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN
- As California's fight over gay marriage moves to Maine, so do the Wirthlins.
- I was hungry, you gave me hate, I was sick, you gave me lies.
- Uncovering secrets in Maine
- Mormon Marriott's Moral Masquerade: Hotel Chain Profits off of Unsafe Porn, Says AHF
- Stand for Marriage Maine's New TV Ad is pulled from YouTube due to Copyright Infringement
- 8: The Mormon Proposition (the movie - first trailer now online!)
- LA Times: Mormon Mainer Miriam Conners talks Yes on 1: "There is no family without mom and dad." Really, Miriam? None?
- The Religious Right is Swiftboating Same Sex Marriage in Maine
- The Gathering Storm Against NOM
- “No on 1” Ad Pre-empts Attacks from the Right
- Maine’s Anti-Equality Bait and Switch Auditions
- Criswell Associates and Coyote Films producing the sequel to NOM's "Gathering Storm" ad
- Red Flags in NOM Tax Return
- The real Common Sense America?
- So, who runs Common Sense America?
- Battle Lines Drawn In Maine Same-Sex Debate
- National Organization for Marriage 2007 tax return
- Michelangelo Signorile asks Brian Brown about Common Sense America
- LAT: The federal case on Prop. 8 could get ugly, with every canard about homosexuality being put on trial.
- How the Mormons finally got to meet the Pope: Prop 8.
- NCAA officials: BYU-Hawaii gets 3 years of probation for failing to monitor athletics program
- Polling Report: Court Decisions and Trends in Support for Same-Sex Marriage
- NOM's Brian Brown: “What kind of a country have we become ... ?"
- Maine asked to probe marriage referendum fundraising
- Take the Pledge to Defeat 1 | Protect Maine Equality
- AP: Maine Marriage Campaign Draws Complaint
- Breaking: Gay Marriage Leads to Deforestation
- Portland Diocese: Our recent $100K political donation came from a mystery donor
- National Organization for Marriage says HD90 is just the beginning
- Misplaced Catholic priorities in Maine means three churches will close
- An odd silence on gay marriage
- 'The Odd Couple': Sen. Orrin Hatch on his long friendship with Sen. Kennedy
- “My dad thinks it would be a bad business idea if I ever married a black girl.”
- First Sunday For ELCA (Lutheran) Churches After Historic Vote
- Church changes signage after controversial vote on homosexuality
- "I will make every effort to build as large and respectable a closet as possible for you."
- NOM Skirts IRS Regulations on Disclosure of Tax Returns
- Boies and Olson want to depose Frank Schubert and Jeff Flint
- Ted's Excellent Adventure - NYT: An Unexpected Ally's Road to Championing Same-Sex Marriage
- Karen Merkley's latest brilliant idea - MGF: Adopt-a-Site scheme for Mormon astroturfers
- I ♥ Holland - UFI: Dutch media leery of World Congress of Families wingnuts
- Newsweek: 'Big Love' Gets Unwarranted Criticism From Mormon Church
- "Big Love," the Temple, and What is Sacred: A Review
- Prop. 8 Press Sec. Sonja Eddings Brown issues "Big Love" instructions
- Kirby: Are ceremonies so sacred, or are Mormons insecure?
- Salt Lake Tribune: No need for an HBO apology on 'Big Love'
- Wrong on both counts
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